{"id":1820,"date":"2021-02-02T12:18:24","date_gmt":"2021-02-02T18:18:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/wordpress\/autisticme\/?p=1820"},"modified":"2025-01-11T16:54:30","modified_gmt":"2025-01-11T22:54:30","slug":"podcast-episode-054-dr-roy-richard-grinker-author-of-nobodys-normal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/2021\/02\/02\/podcast-episode-054-dr-roy-richard-grinker-author-of-nobodys-normal\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast Episode 054 &#8211; Dr. Roy Richard Grinker, Author of Nobody&#8217;s Normal"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Podcast Episode 0054; Season\u00a004, Episode\u00a018; February 2,\u00a02021<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Roy Richard Grinker is a Professor of Anthropology and International Affairs at George Washington University. His books include <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3cyOXuO\"><em>Unstrange Minds: Remapping the World of Autism<\/em><\/a>.\u00a0I met Dr. Grinker in May of 2007 while he was promoting\u00a0<em>Unstrange Minds<\/em>, my favorite book on autism&#8217;s history. The opportunity to speak to him about his new work,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2MOcXil\"><em>Nobody&#8217;s Normal: How Culture Created the Stigma of Mental Illness<\/em><\/a> was an honor.<\/p>\n<p>A full review of <em>Nobody&#8217;s Normal<\/em> will be posted next week. It&#8217;s a great book, easy to read, filled with interesting vignettes.<\/p>\n<p>[amazon_auto_links asin=&#8221;0393531643&#8243;]<\/p>\n<h3>Mental Health, Labels, Treatment and Identity<\/h3>\n<p>Before I was \u201cautistic\u201d I was many other things.\u00a0<strong>Autistic is a label, applied by experts, based on observations.<\/strong> Labels change for many reasons. Sometimes, the labels are changed for historical reasons. Diseases named after Nazi doctors, for example, have been renamed. Sometimes, labels cease to be stigmatized as illness. Homosexuality is not an illness, yet at one time that\u2019s how it was categorized.<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Grinker\u2019s works shed light on how the culture of mental health and mental illness create labels. The\u00a0<a style=\"font-style: italic\" href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3j95aIa\">Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders<\/a><i>\u00a0<\/i>of the American Psychiatric Association, evolves. Now in its fifth edition (DSM5), there have been major and minor revisions that reflect changes in our culture and in the culture of psychiatry.<\/p>\n<p>Labels matter. They are required by insurance and government healthcare programs. They are used to determine eligibility for accommodations at school and work. Without an \u201cofficial\u201d label, a student might not receive educational supports and an employee might not receive fair and reasonable accommodations.<\/p>\n<p>Labels also define us when we adopt them. Asperger Syndrome (or Asperger\u2019s in some texts) became an identity for many diagnosed with what is now within the Autism Spectrum Disorder categories of the DSM5.<\/p>\n<p>I hope you enjoy this chat with Dr. Grinker as much as I did.<\/p>\n<p>\n<!-- iframe plugin v.6.0 wordpress.org\/plugins\/iframe\/ -->\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/17784941\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/backward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/336699\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\" 0=\"allowfullscreen\" 1=\"webkitallowfullscreen\" 2=\"mozallowfullscreen\" 3=\"oallowfullscreen\" 4=\"msallowfullscreen\" class=\"iframe-class\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n<br \/>\n<\/p>\n<h3>Press Release for Nobody\u2019s Normal<\/h3>\n<p>Approximately twenty percent of all American adults\u2014around 60 million people\u2014live with a mental illness. But due to the lingering legacy of shame and secrecy around mental health, sixty percent of them receive no treatment. In\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/2MOcXil\"><em>Nobody&#8217;s Normal: How Culture Created the Stigma of Mental Illness<\/em><\/a>\u00a0 anthropologist and professor Roy Richard Grinker chronicles the progress and setbacks in the struggle against stigma, from the 18th century through America\u2019s major wars and into today\u2019s high-tech economy In this uplifting book, infused with poignant human-interest stories, he shows us that in the 21st century we are finally getting closer to ending the discrimination, fear, and marginalization that has long impeded the social and therapeutic supports that reduce suffering.<\/p>\n<p>During the Industrial Revolution, those who couldn\u2019t work were banished to asylums; the Kennedy family lobotomized a daughter that didn\u2019t fit their patrician ideals; and in the 1960s, autism was thought to be the result of bad parenting. Drawing on cutting-edge science, historical archives, his own research on neurodiversity, and cross-cultural studies in Africa and Asia, Grinker explores how our past failures have shaped the present. The book\u2019s eye-opening narrative is interwoven with Grinker\u2019s personal history: his family\u2019s four generations of involvement in psychiatry include his great grandfather, a scientist who believed mental illness was a sign of biological inferiority; his grandfather, a patient of Freud; and his daughter\u2019s experience with autism, about which he wrote\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/3cyOXuO\"><em>Unstrange Minds: Remapping the World of Autism<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>In this compassionate and revelatory book, Grinker makes the urgent case that if culture produced stigma, culture can also eradicate it.<\/p>\n<h3>Transcription (still) in Progress<\/h3>\n<p>I am still working on completing some interview transcripts. I am sorry that they were not completed in a timely manner. I use transcription services, but the results are far from ideal unless you pay additional fees.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Podcast Episode 0054; Season\u00a004, Episode\u00a018; February 2,\u00a02021 Roy Richard Grinker is a Professor of Anthropology and International Affairs at George Washington University. His books include Unstrange Minds: Remapping the World of Autism.\u00a0I met Dr. Grinker in May of 2007 while he was promoting\u00a0Unstrange Minds, my favorite book on autism&#8217;s history.&#8230;<\/p>\n<div class=\"more-link-wrapper\"><a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/2021\/02\/02\/podcast-episode-054-dr-roy-richard-grinker-author-of-nobodys-normal\/\">Continue Reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Podcast Episode 054 &#8211; Dr. Roy Richard Grinker, Author of Nobody&#8217;s Normal<\/span> <i class=\"fas fa-angle-right\"><\/i><\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":3458,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[7,812,10],"tags":[208,235,329,364,413,459,554,663,677],"class_list":["post-1820","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-health","category-parenting","category-podcast","tag-diagnoses","tag-dsm","tag-grinker","tag-identity","tag-labels","tag-mental-health","tag-podcast","tag-spectrum","tag-stigma","entry"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2023\/11\/Podcast_Banner_800x400.png?fit=711%2C400&ssl=1","jetpack-related-posts":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/pfivLC-tm","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1820","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1820"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1820\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3574,"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1820\/revisions\/3574"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/3458"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1820"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1820"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tameri.com\/autisticme\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1820"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}